witchescauldron<p>To note for people who are not familer with this way of looking at the world, the ansear to the question is always more alt grassroots vs less mainstreaming, of course this is always a balance so best not to get into a <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/ragecircle" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>ragecircle</span></a> on this mess making.</p><p><a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/Socialhub" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>Socialhub</span></a> originated as a grassroots alternative space specifically designed to maintain the integrity of the activertypub reboot within its inherent framework. Initially stemming from <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/activertypub" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>activertypub</span></a> itself, this forum embarked on this trajectory.</p><p>The emergence of the current <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/openweb" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>openweb</span></a> reboot was more serendipitous than deliberate. Amidst the <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/WC3" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>WC3</span></a> proceedings, the absence of the typical mainstream participants allowed our alternative cohort to drive and solidify the definition through this "native" <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/4opens" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>4opens</span></a> technological pathway an uncommon yet advantageous route for our community to follow.</p><p>Socialhub fostered a genuine and thriving community. The pinnacle of this community's strength was witnessed during the outreach efforts to the EU within the Fediverse. However, recent years have brought challenges; the influx of individuals without a "native" <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/openweb" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>openweb</span></a> view has led to a divergence from our initial focus, primarily due to the significant impact of Twitter immigrants and the expansion of the Fediverse. This is good and bad, we have moved a long way from where we started, and have to make the best of this more messy community.</p><p>Over the last year we have had a (strong dogmatic) shift to the tech side of activertypub working and away from the social side that is needed for making a working <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/openweb" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>openweb</span></a> reboot. In the forum we have had a reduction of the core crew, and an influx of the tech focused new members, this is likely a mirror in the expansion and the rebooting of the WC3 process and the two have have a balancing act of responsibility. </p><p>“To use the forum, you must agree to these terms with Petites Singularités, the company that runs the forum.” This has become more visible and the owner has a point of view and agenda, this is actually not a space for/by “community” in the sense it was originally sold… shifting from “serendipitous to deliberate” the solution to this shift/issue is likely not easy and involves democracy in some form.</p><p>Grassroots is always messy, that's how you can judge if its grassroots or NOT :)</p><p>Let’s try some constructive comments on this to improve the fep process.</p><p>What we have here is a classic activism 3 steps forward 3 steps back process, this is a recurring issue.</p><p>The ideas behind this are good, the outcome is questionable, and the process still needs work.</p><p>There is a current undeclared fight in the FEP → W3C email list, that is likely unresolvable which is a fine example of the fluffy spiky debate, the only good outcome from my prospective and likely socialhub is making the fep more Legitimacy (political) this is a post with ideas for process to help that happen.</p><p>To be a valid fep they should have a non-technical (social) explanation on why it’s needed and what are the social implications of this purely technical change.</p><p>As we are NOT only talking about technical points here, most are based on social ideas and have social outcomes for social networking. We need this wider buy in to make this process legitimate.</p><p>This process is simple and can be started by the original poster, then carried on by the wider community to build buy in and legitimacy.</p><p>Currently, both the fep and the W3C are too much black boxes to have any path to build buy in, thus are being ignored defacto.</p><p>This will likely continue without some basic activism as outlined above, the is much to learn from this long history of affective activism.</p>