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@evan it's what it is, I like grassroots and DIY and am not a fan of #mainstreaming mess making, think we tip into this from now on, this is both good and bad, my view do better at holding #DIY culture and #openweb neticate in place while outreaching to #mainstreaming
"they are friendly enemies" this is a view of the polarization our freshly #mainstreaming people push over "native" alt spaces, it makes a mess, let me illustrate:
An example of this are the #fedifourm guys, they are "well meaning" but talk to them and you get dogmatic liberal imperialism, pushing polarizing mess making.
Look at current shifts in #socialhub It's now run by one person, the diversity is sidelined and silenced by the "common sense" of #mainstreaming it's a shadow of the community it was and needs to be.
Experience the #FEP the lack of social buy in for this is feeding the #geekproblem
Our tech it self with its #fudalisam of admin, user etc, king and serf hardcoded allows the polarizing to embed.
All these initiatives are good and grassroots, but all are poisoned by the #mainstreaming polarization of the dogmatic paths of the few people left in charge.
One way out of this mess is sortation based, consensus building, trust networking, democracy.
This is a completely normal recurring issue with grassroot activism, before we were #mainstreaming we were doing better, the question we can't ask is how do we do better while #mainstreaming.
The #OGB - as we can't keep doing the same shit, it's well past time to compost this mess.
On the subject of the mailing list, It's hard to understand where/what/why. People forget to communicate the social understanding, this shrinks down the group, I don't know what it means, why it matters and what agender are being pushed there. It's my subject, so I should be interested, this is obtusely a problem for #4opens communication. i.e. a mess :)