The curb cut effect: for example, media descriptions right here on Mastodon help people who use screen readers, but they are also useful for explaining the joke for people who don’t get it, for translations of text, and for copy-pasting what would otherwise be just an image of text.

@Byte The silliest thing I've used alt text for, that's been really useful: I'm designing a pen and paper RPG. When I wanted to share the faction art for it, I put the faction descriptions in the alt, underneath the image description. Everyone loved it, and it saved a ton of space.

@DarkSheepArts just make sure you describe the image itself before anything else, wouldn’t want to defeat the whole point of alt text either.

@Byte Germany has many deadspots with poor mobile data coverage on long train trips.

More than once I was following a thread which involved images in the discussion, and the roaming connection couldn't download the image in time, but it got the alt-text, so I could get the joke or quote and continue to social my media 👍

@Byte funny (/s) enough, I've seen alt text advocates clap back at the suggestion that alt text could be used for explanations, or really anything but a verbatim description of the image.

@amberage @Byte I wonder, are there any guides on alt text best practices? I always end up doing a literal description of the image but I worry mine aren’t any good.

Example: “Selfie of XYZ wearing a red flannel blouse in a standard class seat on a train”

@amberage @Snuggle I usually start by transcribing any text, then describing the image itself, then anything else I want to add.

@Byte @amberage @Snuggle Usually if its mostly text I put a bit of context into the title, like "Twitter post by xyz:"

@Snuggle @amberage @Byte I've run into a few differing suggestions re: best practices, what remains consistent is 1. contents of image go first, and 2. if explanation is necessary it shouldn't be opinionated, and it should be short.

@Snuggle @amberage @Byte I've heard that a good rule of thumb is to describe what the picture shows in the context of the post.

@Snuggle @amberage @Byte imagine you're describing the image over a phone/verbally. Write what you would say

When I post pictures of my farm, I always describe what crops are on them, because I'm pretty sure not everybody knows what turnip tops or parsnip plants look like. So yay captions for everybody!

@Byte great except let's have less of bikers riding on sidewalks

@2ck take that up with the people who design everything in cities around cars. The bikers are safer there a lot of the time.

@Byte In Paris this kind of curb-cut is espacially bad, don't know how they conceveid this, but it seems they are lower than the Street gutter,so when rain falls, there are large pond, and nobody, including wheelchairs users, can use it and goes down/up the footway around it :(.

@popolon well damn, that’s dumb as hell. Whoever designed that should be ashamed.

@Byte Totally agree. Designing for accessibility is a great thing, but it's important to really ask to users, including disabled people, and experiment first in all real conditions. The same way, they put "beautiful" (and probably very expansives) square stones on pavement, but they are perfectly flat, and as soon it rains, these stones become slips a lot. The (new, at least in 90s) Bibliothèque Nationale de France was a huge architecture achievement, but stairs made in precious wood (already a bad point), and when it rains, they slips too, so they are forbidden. And as this is an architecture piece of art, any change is forbidden too...

@popolon yeah. They need to have figured out the gutter beforehand.

@popolon @Byte This is interesting, does France have anything similar to the ADA?

In the US such a violation of the ADA is enforceable via lawsuit. For instance, when Seattle failed to properly engineer its many (often complex since many streets are hills) ADA ramps it was it with a lawsuit in the millions.

@Basic_Bench @Byte If ADA is a law that force new building to have some standards for accessibility, yes there is. But I think it's the case in most developed countries. In China, all cities footway have this yellow bumpy line for blinded people, this a really huge network. Every new buildings have access ramps for wheelchairs in France, and older one if it's possible. On very old cities, there is no place for this, but they generally manage to add it on public buildings, like town hall etc.

@Basic_Bench @popolon @Byte They adhere and ratified the dedicated UN convention. I think the municipality can be sued for that.

@olireiv @Basic_Bench @Byte It already take at least 1 year just to block illegal construction of olympic waterpool for next olympic games in Paris, above very old community garden. they still destroyed the gardens, including old trees for this. Anne Hidalgo that would like olympic games in Paris, against 90% of Paris people (and all other countries refused to host it), made less than 1% inside Paris at presidential elections...

@Byte I just did this for the first time myself. Is it generally better in practice to describe what is depicted in the image first, or establish the context for what the image is before describing it?

@Rasgueado I personally transcribe any text first, then describe the image. But that’s just what works for me. Look at the alt text I did for this post, for instance.

@Byte better would be, to elevate the street at the high of the sidewalk... so cars have to reduce their speed...

@jakob that would use a lot more material than a cut curb. Plus you can cut a curb basically anywhere. There definitely should be speed bumps though, to protect pedestrians. Maybe even a light.

@Byte yes. that's right.
But cars and the rest are equal on rights, only when they are at the same speed... so make cars slow... the best way is, to elevate

@jakob fair. Really cars need to not be the sole focus of urban planning. They’re huge, fast, and they’re a common cause of permanent disability or death.

@jakob @Byte

Curbs existed before automobiles. They are not primarily traffic-control devices. Roads are "crowned" to provide drainage : the center of the roadway is higher than the edges. Hence, in order to keep that water running where you want it, the edges of the roadway must be lower than their surroundings.

And anyway, while I'm far from averse to friendly nitpicking of a metaphor, completely highjacking it is unconstructive.

@retazomag oh yeah! Lots of disability accommodations turn out to be useful to way more people than they were originally intended to help!

@Byte They're also useful to tell those like me - with facial blindness - who any people in a photo are.

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@Byte I love the visualization of the effect, but my mind instantly wandered to the assholes that park their car on the curb-cut. I see this every fucking day in my street and we don't have a lot of cuts. I want to *accidentally* scratch those cars so so bad with my wheelchair.

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@00Ni do it. Slash their fucking tires.

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@00Ni I’m not even joking. Get a friend, ideally someone who can run fast, and put some fliers in windshields on people parked in the curb cut. Tell them what they can expect to happen if they do it again.

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@Byte Yeah I will do some flyers. Don't know about the actual direct action tho. The people are crazy about their cars and park spaces in my area. That can get out of control way too fast and I don't want to put friends in trouble for my wrath.

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@00Ni makes sense. Whatever you do, stay safe

@Byte (ironically, the original posting has no image description that we can see.)

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@packbat my post or the post on sketchplanations? I know I put alt text in mine

@Byte the post on Sketchplanations - yours had a solid one.

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@Byte also, when your internet is doodoo and you just want to know why everyone is boosting that one meme.

@Byte How do I view alt-text? On the bird site there's a button on each image that says "ALT" but I don't see anything like that here.
And this is gonna sound stupid, but I'm awful at writing and it takes me 30 minutes to describe even the simplest image. It often discourages me from posting anything at all...

@Tumby Conflicting access needs are a thing! You can tag people to help you write a caption: @imagecaptionspls is a group that does that.

Alt text viewing is dependent on which front end you’re using. In the browser you can hover over it. Not sure if there’s a way to see it otherwise in the browser. In apps it shows up when you open the image to see the full thing, usually

@Byte I'm used to apps breaking, especially on my phone, so I just use the web for most stuff.
Anyways, hovering over the image works.
I guess I won't be able to see it on my phone unless I install some app.

@Tumby FWIW, I like the app I’m using, Metatext, very much.

@Byte Where I've been living (I'm not going to say where) there are sidewalk curb cuts everywhere EXCEPT on all the corners where there is a building labeled NAACP. There's also a dangerous sinking drain grate on the opposite side that's been that way for years - awful to ride a bike around it.

@Byte Been that way a long time, before I got here. I sometimes wonder if the people using that building notice. It's still NAACP. Interesting effect I didn't actively realize, but makes just so much sense! :blobcatthinksmart:

@Byte image descriptions are fun to read and also fun to make imo

@Byte There have been SO many times I've laughed my ass off at a joke I otherwise wouldn't have gotten because of an image description!

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